Originally Posted by Vinraith

A startlingly limited view of the applicability of a class with functionally limitless energy throughout the bulk of PvE. I keep trying to find a reason not to just run 8 of them (two human necros with 6 necro heroes) and can't really find one.

Originally Posted by Longasc

It is the Necromancers that win the battle, weaken and kill the enemy, protect their own party.

Originally Posted by Racthoh

I use that limitless energy to power skills that make my physicals better, that's pretty much the only use I find for necromancers now. Enfeebling Blood is an amazing skill the problem is filling the rest of the bar with useful skills. I usually go with an enchantment removal or two, maybe a Draw Conditions, maybe hex removal, something to keep my physicals clean so they can continue to punch faces. At that point I realize I have a fairly useless character that doesn't bring a whole lot to the playing field.


Every necromancer I see throws spells on a target that I don't care about, they never contribute to winning a fight they contribute to prolonging the fight in case our physicals don't kill the target(s) that matter. Minion masters don't really do anything productive either. If they can maintain a high minion count we're obviously fighting enemies that aren't dealing a whole lot of damage; our monks could easily keep us up without the minion wall. Good damage? Sure, but how many minions do you need to make more of an impact than a warrior? When you also consider that the minions are going to attack random targets making them just as useless as the curses line, throwing damage on targets that aren't of a concern to me.

If you want to talk minion bombing consider how much damage Splinter Weapon does and how many skill slots it uses to deal that much damage.

Necromancers don't do a whole lot to 'win', physicals are the ones that focus their damage on the targets that matter, thus winning. If that necro is using a bar that helps my physicals kill the targets that matter more efficiently, then I will use one.

Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid

Then you're doing it wrong

For most useless class in PvE, I'ld have to go with mesmer. Not that its a bad class, but compy's don't really care if they get interrupted 3 times in a row, whereas a human might get frustrated and begin to play poorly or even ragequit, so the main power of the mesmer is nonexistant.

Originally Posted by SharonC

So many characters, so little time.

Originally Posted by Dkraftwerk

The two I've noticed least of are Paragons and Mesmers. Male Mesmers in particular, I find, are even harder to come by. I always stop short when I see one and it's funny...because they do the same to me. We just stare at each other in awe, kind of funny really.

Originally Posted by KazeMitsui

most useless class in pve is mos def sin

Originally Posted by Racthoh

I use that limitless energy to power skills that make my physicals better, that's pretty much the only use I find for necromancers now.

Originally Posted by cthulhu reborn

People will keep thinking mesmers suck because they don't see how effective they are in PvE especially in preventing a lot of damage. PvE has as a specific challenge that there is huge spike damage. Level 28+ creatures that can wipe entire parties in a couple of seconds. Trust me, damage prevention is important.
Go into the Gate of Pain mission with an interrupt mesmer and be glad of all those meteor showers that won't hit you and the melee demons that kill themselves on empathy. It really works.
But you cannot just blow all your energy at once, you have to time and weigh quickly what is and isn't important to disrupt. So yes it requires more thought and skill and thus is less popular.

Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

In nightfall there are plenty of Dervs/Paras. In factions and proph, not so. The same applies to rits/sins - lots in factions (well ok, not "lots"), but hardly any elsewhere.

But I'd have to say mesmer, as there just isn't many no matter what campaign it is.